Curse

FenrirOfSleipnir · Aug 21, 2005, 06:16 PM // 18:16

I've been sitting in Lion's Ach for quite a while now and noticed one thing...
Everyone is asking for gold weapons while they don't see that there are collecter items or purple items that are just as good, if not better.

If they just stop spamming the chat channel for a moment and take the time to do some exploring they would have saved themselves alot of typing and plats.

Examples of good collecter weapons are the max damage long sword with +15% damage while in stance (which I also use myself), I've seen people asking for it, but in gold form.

Paying more money for a gold item, or collecting items and making money in the process only to find that you're better off like this?
What would you guys prefer? Or what do you think of this situation?

Tigris Of Gaul · Aug 21, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Some people want perfection, the best looking items, etc. When they have money, why not spend?

A gold perfect weapon compared to a collector's item is like Droknar's armor compared to 15k. They're statistically equal in efficiency, but one just looks better. Nothing wrong with paying more for that.

Aniewiel · Aug 21, 2005, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Yep, if you've got the cash, might as well get something that makes your little heart go pitty pat. It's academic and cosmetic but....meh.

KamikazeChicken · Aug 21, 2005, 06:23 PM // 18:23

The majority of what I use is collector besides my Warriors Sword/Shield. I stumbled across a 16 def with str req [38 health (enchanted)/-2 rec dmg (8%)] shield, so that's more exciting to me than the collector shields. Shields are about the only items that can be found that may beat a collector version. I also found a 15% > rare max crystalline, so I use that since it's exactly what I needed.

People who want the gold items are in it for rarity and have nothing better to spend their gold on. If they want to waste gold on such trivial things, I won't bother trying to stop them. I just prefer my own drops and collector items.

RTSFirebat · Aug 21, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Yes people are foolish. They spend all this time asking for gold items which are the same as any other purple or even blue item!

Take for example the Storm bow, which is nothing more but a fancy looking long bow. A blue or purple max damage when will got for around 3-10K... where as a Gold "Godly" (Hate that word) max damage storm bow will go for 30K+

Why are pople willing to pay that much towards a bow? Or anything for that matter.

GreatLich · Aug 21, 2005, 06:31 PM // 18:31

I don't think it is a matter of paying more platinum for a gold item because it looks better.
For example, i had this happen to me:
n00b: WTB good shield...
me: come to storage, i have some max ones...
n00b: gold?
me: no, blues and purples
n00b: ok, no thanks...

That pissed me off, the items i had weren't bad at all... The guy simply wasn't interested based solely on the fact that the shields I had weren't golden

edit:: Somehow, it seems that the idea that gold items are "strictly better" has firmly implanted itself in the heads of many a player; a pity, because they're not doing themselves a favour

FenrirOfSleipnir · Aug 21, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Yes people are foolish. They spend all this time asking for gold items which are the same as any other purple or even blue item!

Take for example the Storm bow, which is nothing more but a fancy looking long bow. A blue or purple max damage when will got for around 3-10K... where as a Gold "Godly" (Hate that word) max damage storm bow will go for 30K+

Why are pople willing to pay that much towards a bow? Or anything for that matter.

The only good thing anout a storm bow is that it has the range of a long bow, and the speed of a short bow. I have one myself that's max damage and white. bought it for 9.5k.
It's the range and speed I was looking for. You can't get that from any collector items (allas).
It's true that some things look better, but there are things that or special and need some extra plats to obtain, that I don't denie.
But I shan't be foolish to spend 100k+ on a weapon that I can make by buying the parts cheapely and a cheap sword that has the same thing. and voila, exactly the same sword, even though it's not gold.

Savio · Aug 21, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by GreatLich

I don't think it is a matter of paying more platinum for a gold item because it looks better.
For example, i had this happen to me:
n00b: WTB good shield...
me: come to storage, i have some max ones...
n00b: gold?
me: no, blues and purples
n00b: ok, no thanks...

That pissed me off, the items i had weren't bad at all... The guy simply wasn't interested based solely on the fact that the shields I had weren't golden

Because, if you're talking about random drops (purple anyway), golds are generally better than purples and blues. Just say "WTS collector's shields" if that's what you're selling.

Also, if someone says "WTB good _______" they somehow always mean rare. Whereas if someone says "WTS good _______" it almost always means subpar items. (Why exactly would I want a Cane with no mods?) I don't know, just my experience with trading.

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Originally Posted by FenrirOfSleipnir

The only good thing anout a storm bow is that it has the range of a long bow, and the speed of a short bow. I have one myself that's max damage and white. bought it for 9.5k.
It's the range and speed I was looking for. You can't get that from any collector items (allas).
It's true that some things look better, but there are things that or special and need some extra plats to obtain, that I don't denie.
But I shan't be foolish to spend 100k+ on a weapon that I can make by buying the parts cheapely and a cheap sword that has the same thing. and voila, exactly the same sword, even though it's not gold.

Not foolish, just spending money on looks. And parts to match some "godly" items can be a little expensive. There are and always will be people looking for gold items. Don't worry about it.

FenrirOfSleipnir · Aug 21, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreatLich

I don't think it is a matter of paying more platinum for a gold item because it looks better.
For example, i had this happen to me:
n00b: WTB good shield...
me: come to storage, i have some max ones...
n00b: gold?
me: no, blues and purples
n00b: ok, no thanks...

That pissed me off, the items i had weren't bad at all... The guy simply wasn't interested based solely on the fact that the shields I had weren't golden

edit:: Somehow, it seems that the idea that gold items are "strictly better" has firmly implanted itself in the heads of many a player; a pity, because they're not doing themselves a favour

First I myself tought gold sword had a damage bonus, untill I put it to the test.
results were totally negative, only other possibility is that each type of sword has another damage/type mod like with bows. Horn Bows for an example have +10% penetration.

The mods for all weapons can be found here
http://www.knights-templar.com/charts.htm

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Originally Posted by Savio

Because, if you're talking about random drops (purple anyway), golds are generally better than purples and blues. Just say "WTS collector's shields" if that's what you're selling.

Also, if someone says "WTB good _______" they somehow always mean rare. Whereas if someone says "WTS good _______" it almost always means subpar items. (Why exactly would I want a Cane with no mods?) I don't know, just my experience with trading.

ofcourse, I've seen those idiots asking about a Fellblade I was selling. I just say it in chat "WTS max damage Fellblade", and they come asking "gold?".
GOD if it was gold I would have put "WTS Gold max dmg Fellblade (with bonus or w/e)". It happens to me atleast 15 times a day.
Maybe it's better to just sell all good purple items to the npc or salvage them, and watch how people act like idiots by buying something that can be just as good looking and/or perfect.

Savio · Aug 21, 2005, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by FenrirOfSleipnir

First I myself tought gold sword had a damage bonus, untill I put it to the test.
results were totally negative, only other possibility is that each type of sword has another damage/type mod like with bows. Horn Bows for an example have +10% penetration.

The mods for all weapons can be found here
http://www.knights-templar.com/charts.htm

Bows are all different, so that's understandable. But all swords, and all other weapons to my knowledge, are the same. Fellblades, Crystallines, etc. differ only in looks.
[QUOTE-FenrirofSleipnir]
ofcourse, I've seen those idiots asking about a Fellblade I was selling. I just say it in chat "WTS max damage Fellblade", and they come asking "gold?".
GOD if it was gold I would have put "WTS Gold max dmg Fellblade (with bonus or w/e)". It happens to me atleast 15 times a day.
Maybe it's better to just sell all good purple items to the npc or salvage them, and watch how people act like idiots by buying something that can be just as good looking and/or perfect.[/QUOTE]
I know, I've sold weapons myself. Be more descriptive: "WTS max dmg Fellblade clean no mods". It's hard to find a weapon if all people say is "WTS max weapon" if you don't even know the stats on it. It takes a few extra seconds but saves you hours of non-interested buyers PMing you.

Also, I'm thinking you're aiming for the wrong crowd if you keep getting asked if it's gold. Try a smaller town with people who don't already have max godly stuff. There are plenty of other players who will buy purple, blue, or even white items; you just have to look in the right places.

tear · Aug 21, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by FenrirOfSleipnir

The only good thing anout a storm bow is that it has the range of a long bow, and the speed of a short bow. I have one myself that's max damage and white. bought it for 9.5k.
It's the range and speed I was looking for. You can't get that from any collector items (allas).
It's true that some things look better, but there are things that or special and need some extra plats to obtain, that I don't denie.
But I shan't be foolish to spend 100k+ on a weapon that I can make by buying the parts cheapely and a cheap sword that has the same thing. and voila, exactly the same sword, even though it's not gold.

Storm bows are a little slower than shortbows. Flatbows have the range and speed, but are less accurate.

aB- · Aug 21, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21

A storm bow has the exact same speed, range, and accuracy as a longbow. It fires once every 2.5 seconds, has the longest range, and a normal arc (the higher the arc, the less accurate). So besides the look of a storm bow, you could pay less for a regular longbow, or just get a collector longbow outside of augry rock that is max damage (req - 9) and 15%>50.

Jessy · Aug 21, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by aB-

... get a collector longbow outside of augry rock that is max damage (req - 9) and 15%>50.

Hehe that is exactly what I did, now I got like 10 of those bows with different types of strings (10/10 sundering, 5/1 vamp, icy, fiery, ebon, my personal favorite poisoner etc.) and bow grips (either 20% [something/somebody] slaying or +5 armor defense).

Let me take a minute to think about why I shouldn't invest in an uber-godly bow with almost perfect damage (say ... 14-26), and ... woah ... 7% extra damage when hexed with a zealous bow string for ... LOL ... the bargain price of 250K and 20 ecto ... RIGHT!!! ...

Honestly, I don't care about the weapon look, it's not something you see in towns anyway, and I doubt people really care when they chop-chop for their lives ... so if you want to look, peek fast, I typically aim straight for the eye ...

I vote Yay for the collector bow.

Supervixen · Aug 22, 2005, 01:23 AM // 01:23

I like collector bows as well, they take to dye well and I like the flexibility of just going out and getting another flat/long/short/whatever bow for testing/new build purposes whenever I feel like it.

As for someone saying storm bows have the same speed as short bows... Please just use this. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ies-id1092.php

RTSFirebat · Aug 22, 2005, 06:06 AM // 06:06

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Originally Posted by aB-

A storm bow has the exact same speed, range, and accuracy as a longbow. It fires once every 2.5 seconds, has the longest range, and a normal arc (the higher the arc, the less accurate). So besides the look of a storm bow, you could pay less for a regular longbow, or just get a collector longbow outside of augry rock that is max damage (req - 9) and 15%>50.

THANK YOU!

It seems a few people believe the Storm bows to be better then then all other bows... all they are are fancy looking lowbows.

Since I carry a half moon bow (Primary weapon) and a Storm Bow (Pulling, long range), I can tell you that their rate of fire is no where near the same.

noblepaladin · Aug 22, 2005, 05:37 PM // 17:37

The reason why people are willing to pay alot for "gold" and cool looking items is because gold is virtually useless after you complete the game, but it becomes ridiculously easy to get.

capitalist · Aug 22, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

On the flip side there is nothing more irratating than when I am sitting in LA spamming:

"[BUYING} MAX GOLD SHIELD (str or tactics) +45/-2 (both while enchanted)"

And have 10 jackasses coming up showing me a collector's shield...

LiQuId StEeL · Aug 22, 2005, 07:42 PM // 19:42

ummm... there isn't a collector 45/-2 enchanted shield with 16al... or is there?

pionata · Aug 22, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Huh, Gold items do have great mods.

I have a gold Earth Magic Staff
+19% protection recharge
Fast Recovery from Dazed
Air Magic +1 (17% Chance)
+30 health
+10 Energy

You dont get this from Blue items, not those stats (Except the 20/20), and they are limited to 2 mods, occasionaly 3. Gold Items often have room for 4 mods.

capitalist · Aug 22, 2005, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by LiQuId StEeL

ummm... there isn't a collector 45/-2 enchanted shield with 16al... or is there?

Collector's Shields with +45/-2:

AR16 +45/-2 Stance or hexed

AR12 +45/-2 Enchanted